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post #11 of 56 (permalink) Old 06-25-2012, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
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Also, if I go back to make suggestions on maybe switching his diet, could that cause problems? For instance, when people eat things they're not used to, they sometimes get sick. Should I also bring into consideration the species of his tank mates before something else (even a prey item) is added?
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Sorry, this is one of those moments:
#1) Kick the curator in the nuts.
#2) Source out some MS-222 from argent labs (if you are in the USA). That will sedate the puffer.
#3) Watch some youtube vids on a tooth trim. It is actually pretty easy. It can be done in under 1 min if you are good and about 5 mins for the first time.
#4) Never use clove oil!! See #2
#5) Feed only crunchy foods to the puffer. The reason it has algae is because it was hunting something else. The algae is a bi-catch of the initial target. Any mollusks, crab or hard shelled inverts will do.
#6) Repeat #1




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There ya go. I was just buying some time until he showed up. ^

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3 lovely male betta still keep me company.
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Olympia: thanks for the Kudo's.

landcfan: If you can, get a running start before you kick him in the nuts.

this is me doing a trim under a min:

You're going to have to sedate which can take some time. The actual procedure is very quick.

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Wow InvertPlantet, that looks terrifying! I dont know if i could do that!

I do have to trim my rats nails all the time, i have four of them, and they can get a little squirmy with their back feet. I cant imagine doing it underwater..or to their mouth!


As im pretty sure its against the law to steal the puffer fish, couldent you just...dump some snails in? if the curator keeps being ignorant.

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snails and such keep their teeth in check. once the beak is overgrown you have to manually trim it.

Prevention is the key. If the puffer is sedated, you can remove it from the water to do the procedure.




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Thanks everyone! I have good news and bad news. First the bad news: my attempt to get a specialist’s opinion and possibly find someone who could trim the puffer’s teeth was not very successful. On Tuesday, I walked about two miles to the only fish store in town, only to find that the owner was on vacation until the next day. So yesterday, I made the journey again, only this time in 100 degree heat, including humidity. I showed her pictures and a video of the fish, and she agreed that the teeth looked overgrown, but was uncomfortable trimming them herself, as she has little experience with puffers. She did say that she’d bring it up the next time she saw the stock manager (the one I talked to at school). Also, she let me stay even after closing time and pester her with questions about all the fish so I didn’t have to go back outside for a while (sections of my hair were soaked with sweat from my trek, and I was in no hurry to go back outside.)
Now the good news: today, after oversleeping through my class (I had spent a few hours Tuesday on my failed attempt to get to the fish store, and then stayed up all night working on a lab report. Then yesterday, after leaving the fish store, I did some grocery shopping and ate at a restaurant, then walked back to campus, arriving just as it was getting dark. I took a shower and pretty much fell asleep immediately after that, still wearing my bathrobe, without setting my alarm) I happened to start talking about this with the woman who originally bought the puffer, who was in the empty classroom I entered looking for the review session I woke up just in time for. She had owned a saltwater fish tank, and when she didn’t want it anymore, she had her fish added to the school’s tank. She said that when she had him, his teeth didn’t look like they do now. She was also the person who found the stack of printouts and the note I had left by the fish tank before I knew who to go to, and had given it to the stock manager. She said that next time she goes into the nearest big city, she’d try to buy some snails to put in, although she wasn’t sure when she’d go. Hopefully, it’s not too late, and he’ll be able to eat the snails. If not, hopefully he can hang on until September, when, I was told today, the fish club would take over the care of the fish. Maybe they’ll agree with me, and be more comfortable trimming his teeth (I’m afraid that I’ll accidentally kill him if I try to sedate him and then cut his already algae-obscured teeth). But I’ll continue to keep an eye on Scootaloo (as I have dubbed him after this character Scootaloo - My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Wiki, although I was told the fish club had already named some of the fish) to make sure his condition goes in the right direction. If I see it worsen, I’ll definitely renew my requests with the stock manager at full force. Any more advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Is there a chance I could be wrong, though? The stock manager saw me at the tank today, told me I was scaring them, and to stop obsessing. He said that the algae would fall out (it's been there at least three and a half weeks, when I first noticed it) and that their teeth are normally like that, and he can grind his teeth on the rocks (there are a lot of rocks in there). Is it possible I'm wrong? I don't want to hold onto this position and continue badgering if the fish is indeed in no danger. I have seen the fish eat small and soft things, and I've seen it eat algae off the rocks, and once I saw it bite a starfish (the starfish's arm was on the surface of the water, and I think Scootaloo thought it was food). Is it possible that his teeth are actually fine, and his mouth just looks off because of the algae? Perhaps his lips can't get past the algae to completely cover the teeth?

Also, I don't think the stock manager is a bad person. He's friends with my professor, who is completely awesome, and I don't think he'd be friends with a bad person.

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#1) Your LFS guy is incorrect. They do grind their teeth in the wild but not in captivity. Once over grown it is time for a manual trim.

#2) The algae will fall out (or can manually be removed), but that doesn't solve the problem: an incorrect diet.

#3) as stated before, prevention is the key. Hard shelled mollusks and a healthy diet of them will prevent this in the future.

#4) Back up, get a running start, and kick him in the nuts.




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Jeni from the "the puffer forum.com" may be contracted out to do the procedure and give guidance. As I am in Canada, it would cost $$$.

Jeni lives in Chicago so it would be much more beneficial to contact her. You can contact her personally via "Pufferpunk" on the site.




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