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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-11-2010, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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Hi all, I'm new to brackish tanks but have had several freshwater tanks. Anyway, one thing had never occured to me that my brother in law mentioned to me last week... Do you need a water skimmer on the tank like you would with salt water/ marine tanks? I don't think I've noticed one on any of the tanks at the pet store, but it would be good to know.

Also, What kinds of things can you put in your puffer's tank for them to "play" with? I've read that they like to explore but mine doesn't seem to really do much. When I'm near he's almost always swimming around the side of the tank looking at me, is he bored? Well only thing I've tried is a laser pointer... my cats like to play with a laser light and I was curious... long story short my puffer did seem to enjoy to chase the red dot around the tank. lol.

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-13-2010, 02:54 AM
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You shouldn't need a protein skimmer.

Try tossing a ping-pong ball in there to see if it will play with it. I've seen cichlids that loved playing with ping pong balls.

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OK that sounds like it could work... I've heard of using a marble for some Bettas but I thought it could be too heavy/hard to see. Do puffers see color as such? He can tell the difference in red, green and brown flakes but that could be scent. Just wondering if the color of the ball could make a difference.

Also, I've done more research into what aquatic plants come from regions where puffers come from and I've found a set of plants from south east asia and malaysia (I think thats spelled right). If I get them come in on special order and re-arrange the whole tank setup, do you think that would help? But I was also wondering do I need to worry about driftwood splintering? The piece I found at the pet store was really nice but there were some splinters on the bottom. Don't want anyone to get hurt.

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Well, the problem with plants is that there aren't many plants that really survive well in brackish water. Java moss and java fern will be ok to a point. Mangroves also work nicely but you have to keep the tops out of the water which doesn't work for most setups.

You could try sticking the splintery side of the wood into the gravel or, if it doesn't look good that way, maybe try removing some of the obvious splinters or sanding the wood down a bit.

I actually have no idea about puffers' ability to see color. They seem to have a really good vision in general so it wouldn't surprise me if they could see in color.

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Thanks for the help iamntbatman I really appreciate all the advise. I didn't know if I should sand the wood for fear of left over dust when I put it in the tank but I think it should be ok with the splinters burried. I kinda just want the wood to look green and sorta soft, so if I waited for algae to build up on it, would it take long do you think?

I was reading on wet web media that most tropical plants can be slowly acclimatized to the salinty and I figure if I have them before I start adding salt then they should all be fine....... I hope! But would I be correct in adding plants from South East Asia as plants from his home region? From what I can find, they can be found in a fair bit of Asia. My goal is to make it look like a piece of his natural habitat (as crazy and obsessive as that makes me sound). And the plants are going to be cheap/free as I can trade in my over grown water sprite for them. I'm just assuming that fish would naturally like plants from "home" so to speak over something comepletely different. Also, the 3 I selected all have a wide range for ph, temp and hardness. Are there any other parameters or fish and plant compatibility issues that I'm not thinking of? Like should I worry about plants being poisonious to the fish? Sorry to ask so many questions, they just keep on coming.

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No aquarium plants I'm aware of are poisonous.

I don't think fish can really "tell" whether the plants are from their natural habitats or not, but then again it is always neat to set up a tank with plants and fish from one particular region as it seems more natural to us that way, even if the fish can't tell. I do know that java moss and java fern come from SE Asia though, so they should work in that environment. You might want to start a thread about brackish water plants in the Aquarium Plants part of the forum, as someone there might be able to offer you more species:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/aquarium-plants/

Also, if this GSP is in his own tank and you eventually want to have him in full marine conditions, you could try some types of saltwater macroalgae. The saltwater people should be able to help you there:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/s...ater-aquarium/

I don't keep any marine tanks so I can't really say much about the macroalgaes, but the hardier "freshwater" plants that can survive in at least low-end brackish are usually slow-growers that don't need much in terms of special lighting or fertilizers, which is a nice bonus.

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Thanks for the help again, I really appreciate it. I also went ahead and added the driftwood and removed most of the water sprite in waiting for the new plants and he is already more active and happy!

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LOL I can't find a hydrometer that can read low enough or a refractormeter thats under $100 so the marine pets store offered to test the salinity for me whenever I need it done. Thats all fine, but I still need a little help with starting this out. Ironically the marine store set up there first brackish tank last week so they are learning too. Where my fish and plants are already in the tank how much and how often do I add Instant ocean to climatize them all to the salt? Its still only a 20gal but after I move in a few months its all going to be transferred to a 30+gal. I'm afraid of killing the bacteria in the tank because its been setup for almost 2 years now. Would I just be better of not touching the bacteria and wait until I get the new tank to start adding the salt?

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LOL I can't find a hydrometer that can read low enough or a refractormeter thats under $100 so the marine pets store offered to test the salinity for me whenever I need it done. Thats all fine, but I still need a little help with starting this out. Ironically the marine store set up there first brackish tank last week so they are learning too. Where my fish and plants are already in the tank how much and how often do I add Instant ocean to climatize them all to the salt? Its still only a 20gal but after I move in a few months its all going to be transferred to a 30+gal. I'm afraid of killing the bacteria in the tank because its been setup for almost 2 years now. Would I just be better of not touching the bacteria and wait until I get the new tank to start adding the salt?
MongaBay is a good resource for setting up a biotope aquarium: http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope_countries.htm

The "Instant Ocean" hydrometer reads from 1 up past full salt water and is thus good for brackish tanks.

Just an estimate, but about 1/4 cup of instant ocean salt mix will give you about 1.04/1.05 SG. You don't want to increase the SG any more than .02 per week to allow your bacteria time to adapt. Other than that, the bacteria will be fine. One way to do it would be to add 1/8 of a cup of salt to 5 gallons of water when you do your weekly water change for 4 weeks and then do 4 weeks at 1/4 cup per 5 gallons and evaluate where you are in terms of SG at that point.
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Thats what I'm saying, in order for me to get any hydrometer or refractometer any pet store here charges an insane amount of money. So instead the store is willing to just measure the salinity for me. Thus my current issue of not knowing how much to add at a time, and If I add a 1/4 cup of salt to the tank it would probably work out to more than a .002 incrase at a time. .002 salinity is not very much at a time but I don't want to over do it and risk killing the plants or fish. And I thought climatizng the tank to brackish conditions should be taken over several months not several weeks?

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